{"id":4282,"date":"2020-06-15T20:10:03","date_gmt":"2020-06-16T00:10:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/?p=4282"},"modified":"2020-06-16T09:24:51","modified_gmt":"2020-06-16T13:24:51","slug":"100-renewable-energy-hydrogen-refueling-vs-superchargers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/fuel-cells\/100-renewable-energy-hydrogen-refueling-vs-superchargers","title":{"rendered":"100% Renewable Energy:  Hydrogen Refueling -vs- Superchargers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Hydrogen pairs well economically with 100% renewable energy like wind, solar, and biogas for fast recharging of zero emission vehicles like cars, trucks, busses, trains, &amp; boats.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Wind &amp; solar can have large footprints that make them hard to site near areas where there are large populations of people or where large scale refueling\/recharging must take place.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>RMP has written many times about how solar arrays &amp; wind farms can often produce <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=terawatt&amp;oq=terawatt&amp;aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.2287j0j8&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8\" target=\"_blank\">terawatts<\/a> of energy each year that go wasted because the electricity produced couldn\u2019t be used when it was made.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Wasted energy stranded like this is called <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.caiso.com\/documents\/curtailmentfastfacts.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">curtailed energy<\/a>. Modern grids have to balance electricity production to usage and must choose to dump electricity if it can\u2019t be used.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>More and more projects around the world are demonstrating power to gas is an economical way to store that otherwise wasted energy as hydrogen so we can get it back whenever we need it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">One of the knocks against hydrogen refueling anti-hydrogen folks continue to use against hydrogen is to say there are only 95 hydrogen refueling stations across America compared to thousands of locations where a BEV can be fast charged.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Given we are early in the transition to electrified propulsion, it&#8217;s important to think about the overarching goal of zero emission vehicles: to use clean renewable energy to power our transportation sector &amp; reduce harmful emissions.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Even though there are more fast charging stations than the 95 hydrogen fueling stations right now in the USA, there are already 13 hydrogen stations that use 100% renewable energy.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Contrast that to the <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=how+many+tesla+superchargers+are+there+in+the+us&amp;oq=how+many+tesla+super&amp;aqs=chrome.2.0l4j69i57j0l3.6286j0j8&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8\" target=\"_blank\">908 Tesla Supercharger locations<\/a> across the USA open today and note that not a single one of those 908 Supercharger locations is 100% off-grid solar, wind, or biogas.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Not one.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>0%.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>As we kick off this article, let\u2019s put this important statistic up on the scoreboard when it comes to the number of 100% renewable refueling\/recharging locations in the USA: <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span><b>Hydrogen 13 &#8211; Tesla Superchargers 0.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">This important point of delivering 100% clean energy for our transportation sector is becoming increasingly more relevant as time goes by.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Advocates of zero emission vehicles have a stated goal to move away from fossil fuels and reduce emissions to zero across the board. Without a single demonstration of fast charging paired with 100% renewable solar or wind to see how it works, we are left for years now to guess how it will ever get done.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If all fast charging stations eventually need to get to 100% clean energy shouldn\u2019t anti hydrogen folks show us the cost &amp; footprint &amp; specs of one station so we can see how it works?<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4302\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4302\" style=\"width: 624px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/sheel_sacramento.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4302\" src=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/sheel_sacramento.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"624\" height=\"416\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/sheel_sacramento.jpg 624w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/sheel_sacramento-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 624px) 100vw, 624px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4302\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Shell Sacramento hydrogen refueling station is one of 13 stations in the USA that uses 100% renewable hydrogen.\u00a0 Every hydrogen refueling station in California is required to use at least 33% renewable hydrogen but several across the state, including 3 stations in San Francisco are 100% renewable.\u00a0 While Tesla might put a solar array on top of a Supercharger to show some electricity comes from renewable energy, don&#8217;t be fooled.\u00a0 Not a single Tesla Supercharger is 100% renewable.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">According to <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/modernize.com\/home-ideas\/13512\/americas-cleanest-and-dirtiest-energy-states\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"s2\">Modernize<\/span><\/a>, less than a handful of states have produced better than 20% of their energy from renewable energy sources. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Many states, like New Mexico, Kansas, Utah, Indiana, Ohio, and more get over 90% of their energy from dirty fossil fuel sources like coal, oil, &amp; natural gas.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Manufacturing &amp; charging electric vehicles off a dirty grid isn\u2019t making a dent in CO2 emission reductions. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>When can we fast charge BEVs with clean off-grid renewable energy?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Does the possibility even exist?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Or is it still a fantasy?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Unfortunately, hydrogen &amp; batteries get looked at as some sort of death match of competitive technologies that leave us with an either\/or decision of what technology to use, but it really shouldn\u2019t be that way.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>RMP has written for years about how it\u2019s a red herring argument to say we have to choose only one technology.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen &amp; batteries work very well together; we really need both technologies to phase out crude oil, coal, and natural gas.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Even though hydrogen &amp; batteries should be thought of technologies that cooperate, it\u2019s human nature for people to have some fun with friendly competition.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>In the spirit of friendly competition, let\u2019s look at why hydrogen refueling has a big advantage over battery charging alone when it comes to renewable energy for fast recharging. If our goal is 100% renewable energy it\u2019s important to keep this score in mind:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span><strong>Hydrogen 13 &#8211; Tesla Superchargers 0<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">While there is a lot of promise for BEV vehicles for good reason, there is also an elephant in the room:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>fast charging throughput is about 20:1 slower than refueling with gasoline.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Because hydrogen refueling is on par with gasoline, it means hydrogen fueling is also about 20:1 faster than the fastest Tesla Supercharging.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>According to a quick Google search, it takes about 75 minutes to charge a Tesla to 100% state of charge with a 150 kW Supercharger.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It takes between 3 to 4 minutes to fill up a gasoline or hydrogen car.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>75 divided by 3 = 25:1 and 75 divided by 4 = 18.75:1.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen\u2019s throughput capability is a big deal when scaling to millions of vehicles because it stands to reason capital allocation of renewable energy tax subsidy dollars would also be leveraged 20:1 if spent on hydrogen infrastructure.\u00a0 If the goal is to refuel as many vehicles in the shortest amount of time possible on busy travel routes, hydrogen is the clear winner.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We\u2019ve all seen the videos &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/tesla-supercharger-station-videos-reveal-ev-obstacle-2019-12\"><span class=\"s2\">read the stories about Teslas backing up at Superchargers during Thanksgiving<\/span><\/a>.\u00a0 So called fast charging is already showing failure with less than 1% of vehicles on the road using it; this is very bad for scaling up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Even if we do decide to spend our tax subsidy dollars on battery recharging infrastructure at a 20:1 disadvantage vs hydrogen, we still don\u2019t get fast charging from renewable energy because it doesn\u2019t exist.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We don\u2019t even know the cost of off-grid 100% renewable fast charging.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>All we can say with utter certainty is that hydrogen refueling is way faster than battery charging.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4286\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4286\" style=\"width: 1920px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4286\" src=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup.jpeg 1920w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup-300x169.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup-1024x576.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup-768x432.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/tesla_backup-1536x864.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4286\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span class=\"s1\">Thanksgiving 2019 Supercharger backup at Kettleman City Supercharger with 40 stalls.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>At times the backup was 50 cars long or a quarter mile long.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Teslas only make up a tiny fraction of cars (less than 1%) on the road and we are already seeing major fails in how they scale to handle heavy travel.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>What if BEVs made up 5% or even 10% of vehicles?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Think about it<\/span>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">For three years (since 6\/9\/2017) we\u2019ve been waiting for the very first example of off-grid 100% renewable Supercharging.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Its starting to appear, however, that battery fast-charging just isn\u2019t compatible with 100% renewable off-grid energy.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The best way to charge a battery with 100% renewable off-grid energy will probably be to use a fuel cell system.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The two technologies are truly meant for each other and bound to each other\u2019s service.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Fuel cells &amp; their battery cousins shouldn\u2019t even be thought of in competition, but rather technologies that compliment each other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">June 9, 2020 marks the three year anniversary of Elon Musk tweeting that \u201cAll Superchargers are being converted to solar\/battery power.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Over time, almost all will disconnect from the electricity grid\u201d. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Elon Musk likes to use ambiguous words like \u201call\u201d and \u201csoon\u201d so often that a pattern has emerged.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>A growing chorus of people has started showing &amp; tweeting examples of how Elon Musk is not much different than the Wizard of Oz: just a man shining people on with false promises from behind the curtain.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We get promises &amp; rhetoric of all these great things coming in order to win tax subsidies &amp; venture capital funding from Wall Street billionaires, but the promises never materialize for working class people on main street.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The mansions and private jet are real, but off-grid renewable Superchargers\u2026<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>well, not so much\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">All Superchargers are being converted to solar\/battery power. Over time, almost all will disconnect from the electricity grid.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/elonmusk\/status\/873131202663690240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">June 9, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Elon\u2019s false promises are becoming so obvious <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/elonmusk.today\/\" target=\"_blank\">websites have emerged to demonstrate how Elon Musk is shining people on in order to raise money for his billionaire lifestyle<\/a>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s important to stay vigilant in making sure our tax dollars are being used responsibly to further our migration from fossil fuels to renewable zero emission technology. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If our tax subsidy money is going toward a company like Tesla &amp; the goods are not getting delivered, we need to hold that company accountable to their promises made for our tax dollars.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We need to see results.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We cannot continue to be fed constant promises that are always years away and never materialize.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We need to see real growth in the demonstration of true zero emissions or we gotta call BS.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s been 3 years since Elon said Superchargers were in the process of being converted to off-grid solar but still when we look up a the scoreboard it\u2019s:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span><b>Hydrogen 13<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>vs Tesla Superchargers 0.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">There are three major types of air pollution caused by our transportation sector:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>1) Carbon Dioxide Emissions, 2) <a href=\"https:\/\/toxtown.nlm.nih.gov\/chemicals-and-contaminants\/nitrogen-oxides\"><span class=\"s4\">NOx Emissions<\/span><\/a> &amp; 3) <a href=\"https:\/\/toxtown.nlm.nih.gov\/chemicals-and-contaminants\/sulfur-dioxide\"><span class=\"s4\">Sulphur Dioxide Emissions<\/span><\/a>. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Further, most people want to focus on what\u2019s called the well-to-wheel emissions meaning that we have to account for all emissions including manufacture &amp; distribution of the energy to make the vehicle as well as the energy we use on a daily basis like coal &amp; natural gas power plants.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>For a great example of why hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are better than battery electric vehicles at overall well-to-wheel emissions, the best comparison is the new Toyota RAV4 Prime.\u00a0 The RAV4 Prime in this post\u2019s feature image is a gasoline plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV).<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The RAV4 Prime is a good example that demonstrates why Toyota, Honda, &amp; Hyundai are so confident about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles working along side batteries in the future as a range extender.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>While the \u201crange extender\u201d of the battery in the RAV4 Prime is an internal combustion engine, that \u201crange extender\u201d will easily be replaced by a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.toyota.com\/mirai\/fuel.html\">Toyota fuel cell<\/a> in markets developing hydrogen refueling infrastructure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">According to a quick Google search, the Toyota RAV4 Prime PHEV going on sale in a couple months will <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/europe.autonews.com\/automakers\/toyota-rav4-plug-targets-sporty-drivers\" target=\"_blank\">average about 29g of CO2 per kilometer<\/a>. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?ei=NM_mXvPaD_iQwbkP6-S-4AU&amp;q=tesla+co2+per+kilometer&amp;oq=tesla+co2+per+kilometer&amp;gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCAAQzQIyBQgAEM0CMgUIABDNAjIFCAAQzQI6BAgAEEc6BAghEApQltEDWLTjA2C06ANoAXABeACAAX6IAYUGkgEDOC4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&amp;sclient=psy-ab&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjzxLz51YLqAhV4SDABHWuyD1wQ4dUDCAw&amp;uact=5\" target=\"_blank\">Tesla Model 3 averages about 170g of CO2 per kilometer<\/a>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>This stark difference goes unnoticed by many Tesla cheerleaders in the anti-hydrogen crowd. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Let\u2019s think about that for minute:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>a full size gasoline plug-in electric hybrid SUV with off-road ruggedness &amp; three to four minute refueling will produce nearly 6 times less CO2 than a Tesla Model 3 that takes hours to charge &amp; can have its warranty voided if you drive down a dirt road. Furthermore, if CO2 emissions are lower in the PHEV by a factor of six, it stands to reason SOx &amp; NOx (smog) are also reduced by a similar multiple.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 The RAV4 Prime<\/span> seems like a no brainer to an average consumer that wants lower emissions from overnight charging.\u00a0 The RAV4 Prime also comes with no long waits at the fast charger on road trips.\u00a0 The PHEV is comparable in price, has more convenience &amp; utility, and is also the best for overall air quality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/a1uFudf37JU?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">You\u2019d think that with such a large emissions advantage over the Tesla Model 3 that you\u2019d have to pay an arm &amp; a leg to buy the bigger &amp; more functional Toyota RAV4 Prime over the smaller Tesla sedan, but you\u2019d be wrong again.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The Toyota RAV4 Prime base model is loaded with features like All Wheel Drive, 8-way power seats, power back door, &amp; Apple Carplay and will sticker at about $38,100.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The Tesla Model 3 standard range car stickers at $39,990 and only has a range of 250 miles.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The Toyota is also getting a tax subsidy of $7,500 off the sticker price so it\u2019s more like $30,600 for the Toyota RAV4 Prime -vs- $39,990 for the standard Model 3.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Most drivers will drive 95% of their average miles without using gasoline using the Toyota RAV4 Prime, but they will have the gasoline &#8220;range extender&#8221; for cross country trips without any slowdown to what they\u2019re already used to with a gasoline vehicle.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>This is how Toyota gets such a large clean air emissions advantage per kilometer over the Tesla.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s because the Toyota only has a 17.8 kWh battery while the standard range Tesla Model 3 has a 54 kWh battery.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The larger extra kilowatt hour battery penalizes the Tesla on manufacturing emissions while the under 20 kWh battery in the Toyota is enough for 95% of people\u2019s average daily driving.\u00a0 Lithium, cobalt and manganese for making batteries are mined and processed with high-energy input. A battery for a Tesla Model 3, for example, pollutes the climate with about 11 to 15 tons of CO2. With a battery life of ten years and a mileage of 15,000 kilometres per year, that alone would mean 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometer, according to <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/autovistagroup.com\/news-and-insights\/conflicting-reports-carbon-footprint-evs#:~:text=Lithium%2C%20cobalt%20and%20manganese%20for,to%2015%20tons%20of%20CO2.\" target=\"_blank\">Autovista Group<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">But wait a minute, this article is about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and RMP is comparing a gasoline PHEV to BEV.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen refueling is not as prevalent or available as gasoline refueling or battery charging, this is true.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s also true that we are in the very early innings of both technologies.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>There was also a time in America&#8217;s relatively short history when there were no gasoline stations, no airports, and no train stations.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen refueling stations can be built and are being built around the world right now and they&#8217;re proliferating rapidly.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Toyota knows the switch to electric powertrains is a long term game and they also know how to pair a battery with a hydrogen fuel cell. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Toyota can very easily swap the gasoline fueled internal combustion engine in a vehicle like the Toyota RAV4 Prime with a hydrogen fuel cell system as hydrogen stations build out in markets around the world. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>And that\u2019s the end game:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>smaller batteries coupled with hydrogen fuel cell propulsion systems.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Honda already has a platform called the Clarity that\u2019s compatible with all three propulsion systems:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>plug-in hybrid, hydrogen fuel cell, and battery electric.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Because we are in the early innings of building new energy infrastructure it\u2019s important to look at how things are going to scale up to meet our energy hungry needs.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We know hydrogen refueling works with 100% renewable energy for refueling but we have no examples of how battery electric fast charging can do the same.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>How can we calculate the cost of all the 100% renewable fast charging locations without knowing the cost of one?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>At its core, this is the whole concept of scaling energy: make something once &amp; repeat ad infinitum.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s like aiming for the moon from the earth, if your calculation is wrong as you set out on your trip, by the time you\u2019ve travelled all the way to the moon you\u2019ll have missed by several miles.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4290\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4290\" style=\"width: 480px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/150-250charging-final-1586973065.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4290\" src=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/150-250charging-final-1586973065.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"637\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/150-250charging-final-1586973065.png 480w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/150-250charging-final-1586973065-226x300.png 226w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4290\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span class=\"s1\">Car &amp; Driver reports their long term Tesla Model 3 only charged two minutes faster at a 250kW charger in Michigan City, Indiana than it would at a regular 150kW charger.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It also says 250kW chargers are rare &amp; majority are 150kW so let\u2019s use a 150 kW rate Supercharger to keep our comparisons realistic.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Only the Model 3 &amp; Model Y can charge at the 250kW rate while the Model S &amp; X are limited at 150kW.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 Whether charging from the 250kW or 150kW Supercharger, the average kW rate was under 75kW.\u00a0 <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.caranddriver.com\/news\/a32132062\/tesla-250-kw-vs-150-kw-supercharger-tested\/\"><span class=\"s2\">Car &amp; Driver Source<\/span><\/a>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Let\u2019s go through some quick number comparisons using time, kilowatt hours, and kilograms of hydrogen to try to draw some comparisons mathematically. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>First off, let\u2019s note that there are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?source=hp&amp;ei=CU3lXqahBIqP9PwPiIOE2A8&amp;q=how+many+kwh+in+1+kg+of+hydrogen&amp;oq=how+many+kwh+in+kg&amp;gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoFCAAQsQM6BQgAEIMBOgIIADoHCAAQRhD7AToICAAQFhAKEB5Q-wVY8TFg-0RoAnAAeACAAa4CiAHUF5IBBzguNi41LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&amp;sclient=psy-ab\"><span class=\"s2\">33.33 kWh of energy in 1 kilogram of hydrogen<\/span><\/a>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Several new hydrogen refueling stations in California slated to open later this year will have a<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>capacity of 1,200 kg of hydrogen.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>1,200 x 33.33 = about 40 megawatt hours.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>A regular hydrogen passenger vehicle will hold about 5 kg of hydrogen.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Therefore, the station\u2019s nameplate capacity will fill about 240 cars.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The 1,200 kg capacity hydrogen station can be refilled and just keep on refueling cars, so it&#8217;s really not limited to 240 cars.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The larger capacity just makes refueling the station itself less cumbersome.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Let\u2019s look at our hydrogen station differently.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Let\u2019s say it has dual dispensers &amp; the station was open during the travel hours of 6AM to 12AM or 18 hours per day.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If there are dual dispensers &amp; 2 cars can refuel every 4 minutes, then about 30 cars can be filled each hour.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If there are 18 hours of operation in a travel day, the hydrogen station could theoretically fill 540 cars per day.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>540 cars @ 5kg each is 90 megawatt hours of 100% renewable energy!!!<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>In a day!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Now let\u2019s contrast to the Tesla Supercharger.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>According to Car &amp; Driver who is chronicling their long term ownership of their Tesla Model 3, they\u2019re stating that recharging at a 150kW Supercharger delivers an average charge rate of just under 75kW.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Car &amp; Driver said it was roughly the same kW average charge rate whether they used one of the more rare 250kW Superchargers like the one in Michigan City, Indiana or a regular 150kW Supercharger.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Superchargers are known to reduce the flow rate of electricity to each vehicle if more than one vehicle is charging simultaneously in rural areas, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tesla.com\/support\/supercharging\"><span class=\"s2\">this is what is says on Tesla\u2019s own website<\/span><\/a>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 C<\/span>harge rates drop as you add on more cars in rural areas because they just don&#8217;t have the kW capacity to charge multiple cars at high kW charge rates.\u00a0 But even if we pretend charging rate is not diminished, the math is really staggeringly bad when comparing Supercharging speed to hydrogen refueling.\u00a0 It gets even worse when you consider the footprint required for charging -vs- hydrogen refueling to keep throughput parity.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4295\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4295\" style=\"width: 1462px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4295\" src=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1462\" height=\"1016\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers.png 1462w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers-300x208.png 300w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers-1024x712.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.respectmyplanet.org\/publications\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/ComparisonByTheNumbers-768x534.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1462px) 100vw, 1462px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4295\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The data table above does some simple calculations to show that you would have to take up 64 parking spots to charge Teslas as fast as one dual nozzle H2 refueling station.\u00a0 \u00a0Keep in mind this is only theoretical math, the Supercharger really couldn&#8217;t even do this kind of charging unless a coal, nuclear, or natural gas plant was close by.\u00a0 So, it really gets a lot worse for the Supercharger in the real world especially as it regards 100% renewable energy.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h1 class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s7\">Final Conclusion<\/span><\/h1>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Modern chemistry batteries are an incredible technology RMP supports whole heartedly. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>There are vast applications that are enhanced by using batteries, including hydrogen fuel cells.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen fuel cell propulsion systems are a good example of a technology that just doesn\u2019t work without batteries.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Hydrogen fuel cell systems have a battery as a key component regardless of whether the fuel cell system is in a car, truck, bus, train, or marine vessel. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>There is also no rule that says we can only use choose fuel cells or batteries.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>We can and must use both technologies to move the ball down the field.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>What\u2019s so important right now is to stay focused on is how to eliminate toxic hydrocarbons like gasoline, diesel, &amp; coal from our energy feedstocks.\u00a0 We need domestically produced clean renewable energy that can create good paying American jobs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Grid energy comes primarily from coal, natural gas, and nuclear.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If zero Superchargers are off-grid renewable, it means Tesla cars are powered by coal, natural gas, and nuclear.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Often people say that most hydrogen comes from steam reformed natural gas which is a true statement but no one ever had a reason to make green or gray hydrogen for the consumer market until now.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>The percentage of hydrogen coming from natural gas will only decline over time.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>What is conveniently always left out by those same people who paint hydrogen as dirtier than batteries is that BEVs also get the majority of their energy from fossil fuels; that\u2019s the pot calling the kettle black.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Here\u2019s the big difference:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>green hydrogen is proven to work and is scaling up.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 Green h<\/span>ydrogen is already demonstrating it can scale up to replace gray hydrogen.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>As they say, even the longest journey begins with a single step and hydrogen has already proven that it is moving down the path toward 100% renewable refueling.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>100% Green Superchargers, however, continue to be a unicorn, a mermaid, bigfoot, the lochness monster or whatever other fairy tale you can think of because they just don\u2019t exist.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>If \u201calmost all\u201d Superchargers \u201care being converted to\u201d off-grid renewable energy, why has it been three years and we have yet to see a single example of how one works?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">RMP supports BEVs and the companies working honestly to produce them for so many zero emission applications, but RMP is also calling BS on Elon Musk\u2019s false promises and believe it\u2019s high time he honors his commitment from 3 years ago.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>For all those keeping score out there:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span><b>Hydrogen 13 vs Superchargers 0.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s just past the 3 year anniversary of Elon Musk saying &#8220;All Superchargers are being converted to solar\/battery power.\u00a0 Over time, almost all will disconnect from the electricity grid.&#8221;  Since the Tesla CEO&#8217;s tweet on 6\/9\/2017 there are still zero off-grid 100% renewable Tesla Superchargers.  Even though there are fewer hydrogen stations than BEV charging points across the USA, 13 hydrogen refueling stations are 100% renewable and every station in California is at least 33% renewable.  While RMP supports BEVs whole heartedly, in this post we examine how hydrogen has major advantages over battery charging when it comes to working economically with renewable energy, with scaling up, and with refueling speed.  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